Her er en kæmpe test på diverse mærker af Subs, der er ikke bk monolith eller velo 800r-1200r, B&W osv
Men der er masserer af inspiration til dem der leger med tanken om at opgradere, det intersandte ved denne test er er er givet points til både musik og film, så er der yderligere info omkring om de kan købe på nettet, og en lille teaser til hver omkring deres styrker og svagheder...
Here is the scoring summary with the Home Theater score and Music score, respectively shown as (HT-M).
Prices and whether the items are available Internet Direct or from a
store are now included.
Keep in mind that ID pricing will usually be
firm, or slightly discounted, where some BM products will see
substantial discounts.
BM = Brick and Mortar.
ID = Internet Direct.
ID/SI = shipping included.
Elemental Designs A7-900 ($2200 ID/SI): 116 points (63-53)
Epik Conquest ($1599 ID): 112 points (60-52)
SVS PB13-Ultra ($1499 ID): 109 points (57-52)
Epik Castle ($999 ID): 109 points (59-50)
AV123 MFW-15 Duals: 109 points (56-53) (note, duals were tested as duals are offered as a package)
Creative Sounds Dual SDX-15 driver + Behringer EP-2500 Amp + Behringer DEQ2496 ($1630 ID): 105 points (57-48)
JL Audio Fathom 113 ($3500 BM): 103 points (53-50)
AV123 MFW-15 ($599 ID): 103 points (53-50)
Def Tech Trinity ($3000 BM): 102 points (54-48)
Velodyne DD-18 ($5000 BM): 100 points (50-50)
ACI Maestro ($2400 ID): 97 points (47-50)
eD A5-350 ($715 ID/SI): 96 points (50-46)
JL Audio Fathom 112 ($2600 BM): 95 points (45-50)
Hsu VTF-3 HO + Turbo ($999 ID): 94 points (47-47)
Hsu VTF-3 HO w/o Turbo ($899 ID): 92 points (45-47)
Hsu VTF-3 Mark III + Turbo ($799 ID): 92 points (45-47)
Epik Valor ($549 ID): 91 points (44-47)
Hsu VTF-3 Mark III w/o Turbo ($699 ID): 91 points (45-46)
SVS PB12-Ultra: 90 points (47-43)
Axiom EP-500 ($1230 ID/SI): 90 points (43-47)
Hsu VTF-2 Mark III + Turbo ($599 ID): 88 points (42-46)
SVS PB12-Plus/2 ($1299 ID): 87 points (47-40)
SVS PB12-NSD ($599 ID): 86 points (43-43)
Hsu VTF-2 Mark III w/o Turbo ($499 ID): 86 points (40-46)
Rocket UFW-12 ($999 ID): 85 points (provisional) (35-50)
Elemental Designs A2-300 ($350 ID/SI): 83 points (44-39)
SVS PB10-NSD ($429 ID): 83 points (43-40)
Dana Audio 600 ($869 ID): 83 points (36-47)
Rocket X-Sub ($199 ID): 78 points (34-44)
BIC H-100 ($229 eBay): 78 points (40-38)
*: The Hsu MBM-12 has been tried with several subwoofers here. We found
it to be a good room solution, for times when the best placement with a
subwoofer for the deep stuff did not necessarily give the best
performance in the 50-80 Hz area. We could not come up with a
consistent way of scoring it with the other subs, including the VTF-3
HO. Instead, it is suggested to be look at as a possible enchancement
to any subwoofer package.
Listening procedures:
All listening us done under blind conditions. The panel of listeners
include several very experienced audiophiles, some of whom also design
and build high end pro audio speakers. The subwoofers were each placed
in the identical room position, and eq'ed to have a fairly flat (3 dB
window) response curve from 18 Hz and up, when the subwoofer was able
to go that "low".
Measuring procedures: All measurements are taken at 2 meters/GP from
the front baffle of a subwoofer. In the case of a ported sub, the
microphone is placed so it is 2 meters from the center of the driver(s)
and port. The posted measured results are max "clean" 20 Hz output and
the average from 20 to 63 Hz. If it seemed like the amp was the
limiting factor in output, "AL" is added to the 20 Hz SPL.
The purpose of this information is to help people to quickly look at a
variety of subwoofers and get a pair of scores, some performance
numbers, and some listening tests describing the characteristics of
each subwoofer. Hopefully, this will provide some assistance when
researching for a subwoofer purchase. There will be times that a lower
rated sub will work better for someone than a higher rated sub. For
example, size, or output, in a lower rated sub may make a difference.
Listening preferences may also make a difference. If slam is valued
over extension, some subs excel at the 30-60 Hz slam. For others,
extension will be the most important issue.
1. Elemental Designs A7-900.
Listening results: This subwoofer has almost no weaknesses. It presents
everything from the deepest pipe organ and movie bass spectaculars to a
hard driving bass guitar with an effortless quality that is the best we
have heard to date. On the WOTW machines emerge scene, there was
nothing but waves of bass that one felt rolling through the room. The
standard Steely Dan 2AN disc was tight, tuneful, and the 18 Hz bass
present in this disc was easily felt, yet the upper bass regions were
agile.
Measured results ... 20 Hz: 113.5 dB AL ... 20-63 Hz average: 118 dB AL
2. Epik Conquest
Listening results: This subwoofer is hard to distinguish from the
A7-900. Once again, pipe organ, the WOTW scene, bass guitar - were all
played effortlessly. It is not quite at powerful, nor as visceral, as
the bigger eD sub, but it is also an easier sub to live with for some
rooms, because it is not quite as large as is the eD.
Measured results ... 20 Hz: 111.5 dB AL ... 20-63 Hz average: 116.5 dB AL.
3a. SVS PB13-Ultra
Listening results: This subwoofer delivers incredible performance from
a moderate sized box. It is almost on par with the larger Conquest and
eD subs in terms of delivering palpable bass, and it is as articulate
as the standard bearer Fathom 113. A great choice when one is looking
for a combination of reasonable WAF and performance.
Measured results ... 20 Hz: 108 dB ... 20-63 Hz average: 113.5 dB
3b. Epik Castle
Listening results: Another subwoofer of reasonable size which also
gives a terrific performance. It loses some in articulation to the SVS,
but also has a bit more authority on powerful movie scenes. It is a
solid choice when one wants a large slice of the Conquest/A7-900
performance in a package that is easier to live with.
Measured results ... 20 Hz: 108.5 dB ... 20-63 Hz average: 115.5 dB
3c. AV123 MFW-15 Duals
Listening results: Pairing two MFW-15's does exactly what one would
expect, it adds a signifigant amount of slam to the areas in which the
single unit excelled. What a pair of MFW-15's does above 20 Hz is what
makes it the 3rd alternative in the $1500 and under category for
excellent performance for the $$$. On music, it is tight, clean and
tuneful. It is the other sub combo the brought the Steely Dan 2AN disc
to life. On movies, one will experience room shaking bass that is
visceral, with the best slam of any subwoofer in its class. It is
overshadowed below 20 Hz by the Castle and Ultra, and it will be up to
the listener to decide which of the 3 "109 pointers" works best in his
system.
4. Creative Sounds DIY Dual SDX-15
Listening results: After carefully adjusting for a proper shelving
curve (kudos to Mark Seaton for the tutorial on the 2496), this
subwoofer gave a credible performance. The only real downside is that
the new Castle from Epik is a superior performer in a smaller package
for less money and no labor required.
Measured results ... 20 Hz: 104 dB ... 20-63 Hz average: 115 dB
5a. JL Audio Fathom 113
Listening results: The built in ARO system makes calibration into one's
system a snap. The Fathom allows the well heeled audiophile to get an
unmatched combination of powerful bass and extension with bass quality
that matches the finest monitor speakers, all in a package that will
fit in a room of high quality furniture. The panel of listeners was
shocked that something so compact could deliver such visceral bass.
This is the first subwoofer that delivers on the promise of small size
with true subwoofer performance.
Measured results ... 20 Hz: 102 dB ... 20-63 Hz average: 112.5 dB
5b. AV-123 MFW-15.
Listening results: The MFW-15 amazed the panel by largely matching the
PB13 Ultra in all musical areas with the exception of pipe organ. Bass
is deep, tight and powerful, with no overhang at all. The cabinet work
done on this subwoofer is absolultely stellar, especially in its price
range. By stellar, we mean just how inert it is. The cabinet barely
vibrates during the most powerful passages, and this helps the MFW-15
to get its excellent musical rating. It is, as an earlier graph shows,
very linear in its response curve, all the way to 100 Hz. It is in the
area of slam an linearity that allows this subwoofer to match more high
priced units. The Steely Dan disc on this subwoofer is a bass head's
dream, with a lot of the panel requesting to hear it again after the
test. Stanley Clarke was also as crystal clear on the MFW-15 as with
any subwoofer we have had.
Measured results... 20 Hz - 105 dB ... 20-63 Hz average: 112 dB
6. Definitive Technology Trinity
Listening results: The Trinity surprised a few listeners by being much
musical than a dual active 14 and quad passive 14 inch drivered sub
"should". Its music/movie weakness was above 60 Hz, and this sub is a
total performer when used with a 50-60 Hz crossover. For home theater,
no sub here delivered a better performance on the machines emerge scene
from WOTW, while Steely Dan's 2AN was almost as good as the Elemental
Design's delivery.
Measured results ... 20 Hz: 109 dB ... 20-63 Hz average: 115.5 dB
7. Velodyne DD-18.
Listening results: The big Velodyne was our original standard bearer
here. It is a beast above 25 Hz, and is the ultimate in "plug and
play", in regards to its auto eq. The DD-18 is still worthy of
consideration, but it is eclipsed by many newer offerings.
Measured results ... 20 Hz: 95 dB ... 20-63 Hz average: 109 dB
8. ACI Maestro (2nd edition).
Listening results: The ACI shares a lot with the DD-18. At the time we
teste it, it was a spectacular performer. It delivers a solid 25 Hz
floor, with a roll off below that. It does not handle the WOTW scene as
well as a $2400 subwoofer should, but on music it is stellar.
Measured results ... 20 Hz: 95 dB ... 20-63 Hz average: 108 dB (note,
these #'s are a lot lower than the original Maestro. At the time of the
original Maestro, I measure @ 1 meter from center of enclosure, or
about 18 inches from driver, and achieved 107 dB).
9. Elemental Designs A5-350
Listening results: The eD surprised a lot of the panel with its ability
to retain excellent music scores. It is another sub that loves the 2AN
disc, and most were impressed when they find out it was a $715
subwoofer. It also handles the WOTW scene with a lot of power and floor
shaking ability. It does not quite match the more expensive subs in
articulation, but for $715, it is a bargain.
Measured results ... 20 Hz: 105 dB ... 20-63 Hz average: 111 dB.
10. JL Audio F-112
Listening results: From 25 Hz and up, it is impossible to tell the
difference between it and the Fathom 113. It is an outstanding compact
subwoofer. The general concensus, though, was if one was going to buy a
112, spend the extra $$$ and get a 113.
Measured results ... Not measured. Sorry, somehow this slipped past us.
11. Hsu VTF-3HO (With and Without Turbo)
Listening results: For a subwoofer package of $900 to $1000, the Hsu
VTF-3 HO was, at the time of its release, the standard bearer in its
price range. It is exceptional on music, and delivers slam on HT which
will impress anyone used to what is normally purchased for more money
at a store. The Turbo adds extra heft below the 20 Hz standard for a
true subwoofer, and the Hsu is a solid choice even today for someone
looking for a relatively compact subwoofer.
Measured results : 20 Hz... 101-102 dB (depending on configuration) ... 20-63 Hz Average ... 108 dB
12. Hsu VTF-3.3 (With and without Turbo)
Listening results: The VTF-3.3 is very close overall to the VTF-3 HO.
It is exceptional for its price, in terms of its output and visceral
feel. For music, it is unmatched in its price range - or was, until the
Epik Valor came along. This is a subwoofer that goes beyond its
measured numbers, and for its often quoted sale price of $629, an
exceptional value.
Measured results: 20 Hz: 100-101 dB (depending on configuration) ... 20-63 Hz average ... 107 dB
13. VMPS VSS
Listening results: The VMPS is a very capable subwoofer, with excellent
power to 30 Hz, and adequate power below 30 Hz. It is a good choice for
someone who places a premium on music performance, especially classical
music. Bass is subjectively deep and tight on discs like Two Against
Nature. It does lack in visceral response to many other subwoofers,
including several less costly competitors.
Measured results: TBD
14. Epic Valor
Listening results: The Valor is a subwoofer which will be the answer to
many budget audiophile's dreams. It is an exceptional musical performer
from about 18 Hz and up, with a very agile presentation of bass at all
times. In our smaller basement theater, using a pretty good high end
set up, it amazed listeners in its presentation of the Steely Dan 2AN
disc, and also with its slam for HT. It is not an SPL monster like the
Castle, but in the right room, it is magic.
Measured Results: 20 Hz... 99 dB ... 20-63 Hz average: 109 dB
15. SVS PB-12 Ultra
Listening results: A terrific subwoofer considering its 2002 design. It
remained competitive in the $1200 - $1500 arena until 2007, when it was
replaced by the PB13-Ultra. The "old" Ultra was at one time a standard
bearer for performance, and remains a solid mid pack subwoofer today.
Measured results: 20 Hz ... 102 dB ... 20-63 Hz average: 109 dB
16. Axiom EP-500
Listening results: The EP-500 was one of the first subwoofers to stress
linearity across its frequency band. What is somewhat ironic is it
sounds more like the baby brother to the new PB-13 Ultra than do
smaller SVS models. It is capable of surprising amounts of bass slam,
and is excetionally articulate for music. Its down side is that is
current price is rather expensive for the performance. Its up side is
it is quite compact, and an excellent choice when space is a
consideration.
Measured results: 20 Hz ... 97 dB ... 20-63 Hz average ... 107 dB
ex. på svar og spørgsmål :
Originally Posted by
engtaz
What did the Velo DD18 do wrong if you don't mind me asking?
Thanks,
engtaz
It did nothing wrong, but for the current $3500 street price,
there are a lot better subwoofers available, in terms of absolute
performance.
An example: The SVS PB-13 Ultra will deliver a higher SPL at 20 Hz than will 2 Velodyne DD-18's .. and will match it for music.
Keep in mind the wattage tells you nothing without being in context
with an efficiency rating. If one sub is 6 db more sensitive than
another, it will get the same output from 250 watts that the other will
get out of 1000.
Link :
http://www.tweakcityaudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11
Edit : prøve at finde subs man kan få sendt til Dk fra listen har fundet , pt
har kun prøvet et par stykker af mærkerne
Elemental Designs (men osse sjovest da den fører i points.) koster ca 650$ i shipping, var hvad jeg fik det til, der kan sikkert e mailes og forhandles med alle mærkerne...
Redigeret af henrik-t - 06-Januar-2009 kl. 01:48
Kæmpe Sub test, måske inspiration til upG
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henrik-t skrev: